Talk:Tic Tac Loop
My issue with this being listed on the wiki is that it's not a pyramid game at all. It's in the same category as Checkers, Tic Tac Toe, Rock Paper Scissors, and others that are old/public domain games, but can be played with pyramids. There are plenty of sites for those games already. Yet another copy of their rules on the wiki with how to use pyramids instead of sugar packets, rocks, or whatever is not needed.
At most, there could a list of games like this that can be played with pyramids. I think I recall seeing one, but don't remember where.
- brilk 19:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
However, this isn't, strictly, Tic Tac Toe. It uses both the color and size of the pyramids (and allows for the pieces to be moved, in a specific order, during play). In this sense, it is similar to other popular games such as Tic Tac Doh. In fact, Looney Labs has published adaptation of popular, common games, such as TTD and their latest take on rock, paper, scissors.
I agree that things could get out of hand if people uploaded a ton of simple substitution games with pyramids. That's why I kept my suggestion on porting the piecepak game Telic to icehouse pieces orphaned. However, this game does use more than one quality of the pyramids in its adaptation, and it isn't something that is repeated on here. I believe its inclusion on the main page, where it can either be ignored or tried out, is warranted. Some people enjoy these advanced tic tac toe varieties, and there aren't that many of them on here.
--nihilvor 20:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
My issue isn't with this being too close to Tic Tac Toe, though. This is from the game description: "Tic Tac Loop is a public domain game [...]." This game already existed well before icehouse did. Whoever posted it here just called it Tic Tac Loop and used pyramids instead of sugar packets.
It's exactly the same as having Checkers here and writing "Checkers is a public domain game," then posting the rules for checkers using black and red pyramids instead of whatever you call checker pieces. If you're cool with that it's fine, but I'd rather not have that sort of game here.
(I'll also say that I don't consider the new Looney game a pyramid game, either. It actually suffers from using pyramids instead of pocket change or beads and fits in my category of games that only use pyramids to keep track of score.)
--- brilk 21:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
However, this version of the game is not the same as the sugar pack game that it derives from, because it establishes an order of play based on the number of pips on a pyramid, something that I don't believe is in the original (not as I've ever seen it played). Again, I doubt that this game will be on anyone's top ten, but if we need some objective means of disqualifying games from even being listed on the wiki, I don't think derivatives of a public domain game quite make it, especially if there is some attempt to make them more "pyramidy."
--nihilvor 21:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC)